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Default Barnett P/p throw out bearing replacment

I finally replaced my Barnett throw out bearing after around 30 K miles.
I had no issues but from day 1 it was louder then others I've heard.
I only changed it cause of the noise it made.
This new one is very quiet but looks different.

https://www.vxb.com/7003B-Bearing-An...-p/kit8887.htm

VXB 7003B Single Row Angular Contact
For Axial & Radial Loads
Spindle Ball Bearing
17mm x 35mm x 10mm
12 ball

I'm not sure why the VXB 7003B it has plastic but i installed it anyway.
(I might have to call the company up in regards to the bearing)
The original Barnett 6003 deep grove one I removed is all metal with 10 balls but mine was noisy when engaging the clutch.


Besides taking the pressure off a couple times the removal and install of the bearing was easy.

The way I removed the old bearing from the pressure plate was to set the plate down on a flat firm hard surface and set a 7/16" 1/2"Drive socket into the bearing from the front side and lightly tap if with a hammer till the bearing came out.

Then with the new bearing you set it into the freezer and set the pressure plate on the stove with the flame low. You wanna get the pressure plate hot to expand and get the bearings freezing cold to contract.

Get the bearings out of the freezer, shut the stove off and quickly insert the bearing. It should drop in and be pushed down all the way.
Let the pressure plate cool enough to hold by hand.

(Btw, make sure when installing new bearings you install in the correct direction. I installed backwards and had to rebuild it haha)

As mentioned I installed backwards and didn't kmow till I gave it a try in the bike and lost clutch.
I pulled the inner race and bearings out while leaving the outer race stuck.
No big deal as this may help others who had issues and loosing their bearing.

To remove the outer race from the pressure plate just heat it on the stove as was done getting ready To install the bearing.
Let it get Hot and smack the plate down on something hard like the counter or table and the race should pop out downwards.

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https://www.rswarrior.com/forums/13-...k-barnett.html
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The all steel 6003 deep grove 10 ball bearing is what I pulled out of the Barnett pressure plate.
The steel/plastic is the VXB 7003B 12 ball angular contact.
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My backwards mishap. Luckily it popped on the 2nd pull of the lever.

Do not rush daylight, also have your kids distracted instead of them distracting you, haha.
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I used a press to install the bearing. He relied on an external cage of it.



In the bearing that you installed instead of 6003 in the BPP of the previous version, is the plastic cage? According the description on your link it is steel.
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I used a press to install the bearing. He relied on an external cage of it.



In the bearing that you installed instead of 6003 in the BPP of the previous version, is the plastic cage? According the description on your link it is steel.
No, the 6003 is all steel. I updated the posts with pictures. The 7003 is angular. Not sure why the cage is plastic.
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Please, record the digits on ODO the you started using this bearing. For statistic.
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My $0.02 follows:
Direct flame impingement, from a natural gas stove burner, to this precision machined aluminum alloy part is a poor practice and not required for the R&R of the bearing.

If you want to go down this road then a Toaster Oven @ 200*F max will increase the hole size of the PP by 0.002" to 1.380" (35.052mm) I.D. with no need of chilling the bearing
  • Any applied forces to the replacement bearing should always be directed to the outer race only!
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Any applied forces to the replacement bearing should always be directed to the outer race only!
Totally agree!

My observations.

1) A radial bearing 6003 was installed in the stock plate and in the BPP of the previous version. In the BPP and in the stock, this bearing has 10 balls. There are 10 of them in Koyo 6003 too.

2) NSK products are found on the market, it's bearing 6003 with 9 balls. There is probably an explanation for this. We also have a national product 103, where 12 balls are installed in a bearing 6003

3) In the current version of the BPP with an angular contact bearing 7003 with a textolite cage, 11 balls are installed.

4) In the bearing VXB 7003B is 12 balls.

5) In the Koyo 7003FY bearing, which I installed, with 14 balls.

6)
According to information from the official site VXB 7003B:
Dynamic load rating Cr: 6,400 N
Static load rating Cor: 3,800 N
Limiting Speed:
Grease Lubrication: 17,000 RPM
Oil Lubrication: 22,000 RPM

For comparison, characteristics Koyo 7003FY from the official catalog:
Dynamic load rating Cr: 7,300 N
Static load rating Cor: 4,450 N
Limiting Speed:
Grease Lubrication: 31,000 RPM
Oil Lubrication: 41,000 RPM

And yet, the characteristics of Koyo 6003, for comparison:
Dynamic load rating Cr: 6,000 N
Static load rating Cor: 3,250 N
Limiting Speed:
Grease Lubrication: 21,000 RPM
Oil Lubrication: 25,000 RPM

Extreme speed in all bearings for our large margin application. But pay attention to the differences in static and dynamic load.
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My $0.02 follows:
Direct flame impingement, from a natural gas stove burner, to this precision machined aluminum alloy part is a poor practice and not required for the R&R of the bearing.

If you want to go down this road then a Toaster Oven @ 200*F max will increase the hole size of the PP by 0.002" to 1.380" (35.052mm) I.D. with no need of chilling the bearing
  • Any applied forces to the replacement bearing should always be directed to the outer race only!
Right. I didn't want to bake it lol(get it too hot). I just had the stove on its lowest setting to slowly heat up thoroughly. I tried to just heat the plate and drop the bearings in but they just went half way in so then I chilled them and they dropped in on their own. Then I left the plate on the burner till it cooled down on its own.


On another note, here's the reply I've gotten from the company.
I'm wondering if I should get the steel caged one.
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So I messaged Barnett a couple times on a replacment bearing and they told me 'You can actually get a replacement bearing from your local Yamaha dealer. It is the same as the stock bearing'

From the parts finch and eBay pics a new bearing only has HS markings. I'm not sure if that's the NEWLY used bearings in which I don't know the brand.

So from this all I went and got my old low mileage 02' pressure plate and removed it bearing.

I see that the bearing is a KOYO 6003C4.

I tried to get Barnett to send me the part number on the bearings they use but they gave me their part number to be able buy it from them.
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