Thanks HURD. I just wanted to let you guys know that going to ape hangers, mini or full, changes the way the bike feels when you ride it. Not in a bad way, just different when turning at slow speeds only,rides normal other than that. I already have gotten use to it and like the riding position better. I was getting a pain in my neck right at my shoulders on long rides and hopefully this will take care of it. Just letting you know what to expect if you go this route.