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ECU Problems?

1.8K views 24 replies 9 participants last post by  Frankenstein  
#1 ·
Hi, all you techies!

I took my warrior (I've got Stage IV, Warlord Ripsaws) to the dealer for 4k service. BEFORE I took it in, it was very responsive from the first crack of the throttle through acceleration to higher RPMs. AFTER I picked it up, it just did NOT act the same way. Sluggish, hesitated when I flicked the throttle at idle (at ~900 or so RPM idle, it drops off 150-200 rpm THEN picks up. Almost feels like it wants to dip down and stall). There are flat spots at around 2000-3000 rpm. Can't really explain it, just seems, well, flat. Before, it backfired maybe 1-2x in 2 months, now, every time I ride.

The ONLY thing that has change besides the dealer tune is I added 2 small LED plate lights, got rid of the plastic rear fender thingie, but the license plate lights are grounded to the frame. Also, I've noticed that they take maybe 3-8 seconds to shut down when I turn the key off, like the LED's are LOSING power rather than turning off.

Are there ECU adjustments? Is there anything a mechanic could do to get this thing to de-tune or lose performance? Spark plugs looked great, but it's running rather raggedy.

Would a PC-III help things? I'm at a loss, and of course, the dealer clams it's (1) running fine (2) he didn't do anything and (3) he can't do anything else.

Thanks for all your ideas!
 
#3 ·
I just saw uhhuh(board member) at our local bike night. We both have the same set-up with BAK and cobra slip on and ECU adjustment. He told me he just got a PC111, and said it made a BIG difference from the ECU adjustment. I don't have the 3 beans to buy one yet, but its on the list of things to get. Maybe it will help you too. Just remeber to have to get a custom Map too.
 
#5 ·
quote:Originally posted by jr

How exactly did you replace/remove the license palte lights? believe it or not, this has a big effect on ECM performance. I chopped mine & had to add resistors to equal the load of the two bulbs to get everything working properly again.


JR - I added bullet turns front/rear, put in Kuryakyn load equalizers that took care of the quick-flashing issues. I cut OFF the rear license plate light along with the unsightly plastic fender just below the tail-light. Added the two 12v LED license plate mounting lights (bought at Pep Boys for car license plate mounts). Grounded the negative side to the license plate frame, and connected the positive to the original license-plate wire (green, I think?) in the back.
 
#10 ·
quote:Originally posted by jr

Were license plate lights added before or after dealer tune?


Before. and I didn't notice any difference in performance after I added them and before I took the bike in. In fact, went for a most-of-the-day ride, and everything was as it should be.
 
#12 ·
Well, got a check-sheet, yeah. But you know, standard after-the-fact-check-off-everything-that-should-be-checked sorta thing. Funny thing is, it was the Dealership's Owner's bike. He used to race, so WOULDN'T have put up with a cruddy running cycle. I should get HIM to test ride it (he put the original 3k miles on it after the Stage IV upgrade)
 
#14 ·
I have the AIS blockoff and when I took the tank off to remove the right side airbox I disturbed one of the lines that had been blocked off going to the AIS. It ran lean, hesitated off idle, had flat spots, and ran generally rough. I took the tank off again to install the VBAK and found the vacuum line that had been disconnected.
 
#15 ·
quote:Originally posted by perscon

Well, got a check-sheet, yeah. But you know, standard after-the-fact-check-off-everything-that-should-be-checked sorta thing. Funny thing is, it was the Dealership's Owner's bike. He used to race, so WOULDN'T have put up with a cruddy running cycle. I should get HIM to test ride it (he put the original 3k miles on it after the Stage IV upgrade)

perscon,

This starts to make sense.
I know ONE thing you can do to a Stage IV bike and it will feel numb: You put the prefilters over the velocity stacks and maybe even oil them.
If you tell me that this was the owners bike maybe they where waiting for the first service to put those back on after you where running without them. You will easily loose 10 hps with them. Since they are very small and have a small surface they are actually worse than a BAK setup. They are intended to be used in dirty areas and when it rains.
Could that be the one?
Let us know.

Oliver
 
#17 ·
thanks for the ideas. I'm gonna pull the tank and look around, disconnect those LEDs, see what's what. I'll talk to the mechanic and ask him if he did anything with those pre-filters. For what I paid for the bike, I'd expect it to be running in tip-top performance, at LEAST not worse than before a service.
 
#19 ·
New problem today. Turned off the engine at the kill switch, then turned off the key. Bike made a horrible sort of clicking noise (like a solenoid or relay) on the RH side around the cam cover. Turned it on, the noise went away. Turned the key off, noise started clicking again (by the way, I had completly disconnected the positive side of the LED plate light). Then, I tried to start the bike, it cycled through it's power up process, but the engine light flashed on-off-on-off and I couldn't start the bike. Did this for several minutes, then it started right up. Same problem during shut-down though. I'm stumped!
 
#20 ·
You will find references to this in other posts:

Long story short: I f you diconnect all lights or replace them with LEDs the electronic (ECU) goes nuts on shut down unless:
You put the bike in Neutral (Neutral switch adds additional load)
and then shut off the bike.
I always do mine with the key instead of the kill switch.
You get used to it.