Low maintenance and gobs of torque. The purists will miss the sounds, but after riding in an electric car, the quietness grows on you! Although on a motorcycle you will never have quiet. I personally cannot wait until they are more affordable and availability increases!
Eeek price is a turnoff. If prices were similar that torque is alluring. Then there is the idea of being ‘green’ for environment but I wonder about pollution caused by making and then down the road trashing these batteries.
Performance sounds great and all, but I'm a huge music fan and always have it playing everywhere I go, unless I'm on my bike! I don't know about not having that feel and sound when rolling on the throttle! If they were cheaper then I could justify having one as a track toy, not sure about the daily ride though.
Huh... you could actually use the accelerometers in your phone and the GPS speed from an app like velociraptor... from those two inputs you could get pretty close to what "gear" you would be in as well as "throttle position" (i.e. how much throttle your giving her)... hot dang, that's totally possible!
As for the original question; COST. The only variable I care about is cost. Not just purchase price, but cost of ownership, which includes reliability, battery replacement, and anticipated resale value. If it had the same performance as a gasser and similiar cost then I would go for it. Right now the premium is way too much to even consider.
I remember walking into a Wiz electronics store in NJ back in the early 90's... they had a single plasma TV for sale. It was HUGE!!! I think it was 45" across!!!!! And if memory serves me, the cost was $19,999.
Huh... you could actually use the accelerometers in your phone and the GPS speed from an app like velociraptor... from those two inputs you could get pretty close to what "gear" you would be in as well as "throttle position" (i.e. how much throttle your giving her)... hot dang, that's totally possible!
As for the original question; COST. The only variable I care about is cost. Not just purchase price, but cost of ownership, which includes reliability, battery replacement, and anticipated resale value. If it had the same performance as a gasser and similiar cost then I would go for it. Right now the premium is way too much to even consider.
I remember walking into a Wiz electronics store in NJ back in the early 90's... they had a single plasma TV for sale. It was HUGE!!! I think it was 45" across!!!!! And if memory serves me, the cost was $19,999.
Eeek price is a turnoff. If prices were similar that torque is alluring. Then there is the idea of being ‘green’ for environment but I wonder about pollution caused by making and then down the road trashing these batteries.
The Li-Ion manufacturing process in the US is near-green and it's considered to be as close as it will ever get.
The mining of lithium has become more green in the USA because of three high concentration lithium sources in Nevada. Two are very huge surface deposits requiring only sulphuric acid recovery, and one is underground so the brine is pumped to the surface and the water carrier is allowed to naturally evaporate. The sulphuric acid recovery is being worked-on for other options. So there is still work to be done for separating the lithium when it is in clay but that is far greener already than just a couple years ago.
The last hurdle is waste and recycle. All the physical containers are recyclable metal shaped from sheet in a stamping machine. Anode and diode are recyclable. The lithium itself is not hazardous waste but it has to be cleaned.
In particular the Tesla Panasonic battery factory has marched to its drummer and proven nearly all the scary stories to be false. Except yes they can burst into flames if breached.
Overseas factories are still in the stone age except the UK and Canada are modernizing.
Nobody can say Lithium batteries of any formulation are green. But they are far far far greener than any available alternative.
I have no skin in the game. I love my Shorai Li-Iron starting battery. These lithium based technologies are a no-brainer. Lithium batteries are far cleaner and greener than lead acid in any form including AGM.
I did a demo on the Harley Livewire and it left a lot to be desired. It had balls but the braking was all weird, not very linear and hard to get used to. And of course the missing of the aural pleasure is a huge thing.
Arizona Really!!! I have been off this site for a long time now, and not really ridden the bike much in last 2 years-Just got my plates in from DMV couldn't go in person,cause this corona thing.Fired that beast up-took it out and ripped that thing up to over a 100 a couple of times,I just have church's mod,and a different map-no Arizona,I'll keep my gas guzzling Warrior.
I got to experience the Live Wire at my local dealer. Fit and finish was perfect. Brakes were good (not a fully spirited ride on my own, so I cannot say they are great). Handling characteristics were good. Again not on a real twisty back road breaking the sound barrier everywhere so I cannot compare it to modern sport bikes. However as a standard I think it hit its target market. Power was OK. Unusual since it's electric. I like the way it "thrums" at stop lights like it has an engine. I think this is a feature that can be turned on and off. I was like "Holy ****! This thing is running."
$30k is too much, but it is outfitted with real motorcycle components, not mountain bike parts, so if competitors using imported parts come in at $20k, I can understand why this thing is $30K.
I like the gauge cluster. Lots of features. Even a side stand reminder.
I did get spanked a little for pinning the throttle on one spirited part of the ride. Other than that, it was fun.
Arizona Really!!! I have been off this site for a long time now, and not really ridden the bike much in last 2 years-Just got my plates in from DMV couldn't go in person,cause this corona thing.Fired that beast up-took it out and ripped that thing up to over a 100 a couple of times,I just have church's mod,and a different map-no Arizona,I'll keep my gas guzzling Warrior.
Hey I never said I want to sell my Beast, I could add an electric stable-mate if I fell in love with the bike. Such is life. The way family things are going, I expect I will be lucky to keep all my toys but my Beast would be the last on the list to go. I could never replace it ref mods etc. Its my smile-maker!
I've tracked my air ride leak down to this fitting. It's the fitting that attaches to the compressor. Would anyone be able to tell me the exact name of it or what the thread pitch is? I could call tricky and order it but I know I can get it cheaper online. Thanks for looking.
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