I ride with some buddies who have road star 1600's. One dude uses mobile one and changes at 7k. Thats probably what I will do, it isn't like I'll have the bike for 120,000 miles anyway

 

i was told by the owner of redline oil that your bike should be fully broke in before useing any synthetic oil. some bearings tend to slide instead of roll & rings wont seat. has anyone else heard this. correct me if im wrong

 

I heard its ok to put in when you are due for your 1st oil change

 

'Conventional' wisdom is to wait until the bike is fully broken in (2k-4k) before switching. But you will do no harm from running synth. Synth is not that much more slippery than dino oil. There was just another thread on synth oil and I posted some links to information on the difference between synth and dino (base stock). Educate yourselves and this stuff becomes checkers not chess. You also might learn that many of the castrol's are actually highly refined dino oil, not true man made base stock.

http://www.pecuniary.com/newsletters/real-synthetics.html

 

There is an article in the latest sport rider magazine where they do full on comparisons between about 20 different oils, some are synthetic and some semi synthetic and some dino. It is very informative.

 

as far as intervolts, i always change my oil between 2500-3000 miles. ****, its every 6 months and cant "hurt" my bike.

 

I always try to change my oil every 3000 miles, weather I'm running dyno or synth. I'm more concerned with have a clean fiter and oil. Know synth will last longer than dyno, but it seems it will get just as dirty. To me i just makes sense to change it often, I believe changing your oil is the best prevenative measure you can do for the bike.

 

I've always heard that you should wait until after breakin to switch, but I think at 600 miles it's mostly broken in anyway. Besides, Porsche and the new Corvettes, among others, have synthetic in from the factory, so who knows anymore.

 

Here is the deal, its not the oil that breaks down its the additive package. (what do you think happens to used motor oil? its cleaned and a new additive package is added) The additive package wears out based on time as well as use. One of the things that is in the additive package are acid neutralizers and they work all the time regardless of use. Zinc, an anti-wear additive, on the other hand wears out based on use.

Synth 'can' go longer because its needs less additive package for viscosity retention and other performance characteristics. But other parts of the additive package wear out at the same rate no matter what the base stock. Confused yet? Now add the fact that many synths actually use a base stock made from crude and factor in blending of base stocks, etc. and differences in the additive package, and you should be confused. I change my synth at the long end of the oil change interval, or at the short end for dino oil, or every 4 months.

There are many threads going on about oil right now. Here is another:http://www.rswarrior.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8204 and I have put in many links to information about oil.

 

I have been using Amsoil for years with my 94 Dodge Turbo Diesel and plan to switch next oil change for Xena (02 Warrior).

I think the best way to determine when to change oil is to have the oil analyzed. It's cheap ($14.50) and the sample bottle comes with prepaid packaging. Just fill the sample bottle and put in the mail. In a week or so you get a COMPLETE analysis detailing all contamination in ppm or whatever measurement is relevant to the particular contaminant. The report also gives a recommendation “Suitable for continued use” is the one I always got. But even better, you tell them the vehicle and engine it is used with and in future reports you get a running historical comparison. After a few of these, you get a pretty good picture of when to change.

I normally change the oil and both filters on my diesel after 20,000 miles. The reports indicate it is still good “suitable for use” and generally the difference in contaminants is very slight from the first to the last check (about every 5,000). But I still get nervous about leaving it in longer (totally illogical) Of course I do have the dual remote oil filter system on the Dodge and change one every 5,000 and that does make a big difference.

I plan to send the bike oil for analysis at 2,500 ---soon.

Check it out at:http://www.lubes-n-filters.com/newsletters/oilanalyzers.html

 

I change my oil (full-synthetic) every 5000 miles and since I live in the NorthEast and store my Warrior over the winter right after my first ride of the year, regardless of mileage.

 

I change every 2000-3000 miles but have a stage IV kit installed and putting out over 100 hps

 

3000-5000 should be good. The synthetic label can be a bit misleading, as oil changes should be done regularly due to removing the particulate and changing the filter as much as having to do with oil breakdown. Synthetic doesn't necessarily mean you can run beyond what is recommended, just that there's data to support that it can be done. I smell another oil controversy coming on...

 

quote:Originally posted by jimboman

.....I smell another oil controversy coming on...
heh-heh-heh

 

Every 3000 is what I do in my cars and truck. I usually wait for 6000 miles for synthetic in cars and trucks, but I didn't brake the Warrior in per Yamaha. Ride it harder and seat the rings quicker in this motor. At 600 I changed the bike over to synthetic. Mobil 1 V-twin oil. I use Mobil 1 in my cars and truck. Just for a little info. the Z06 Corvettes that come from the factory with synthetic in 2002 had ring sealing problems and Chevrolet had to redesign the rings with an edge that would wear in quicker due to the synthetic not allowing as much friction for the rings to seat. That is one reason I wouldn't put it in a car too soon unless the car has it from the factory. Learned that on the Z06 site. If you check there is a post on break in of the Warrior and most agree that you should ride it hard and seat the rings quicker. At least one guy here had to rering after using Yamahas break in.

 

That Castrol is not a true full synthetic. I believe it is a blend.

 

Hey guys,

I ride about a thousand miles a month. I love my bike and ride it hard all of the time, corners, straights, mts., and lights. I change my oil every 3000 miles but the filter once every two oil changes. From what you were saying about the oil not wearing out but the additive package wearing out and the particulate building up would the following strategy be better? Change the oil every 6000 miles but change the filter every 3000.

Would the additive package last for 6 months and two filters?

Mike

 

Has anyone had problems with clutch slippage using synthetic oils,
I use ams/oil 20w50 in my race bikes, 600cc Rotax dirt tracker CR250
and practice bikes with no problems

 

Just make sure your oil has the JASO cert for concerns about the clutch.

 

After 2 oil changes on synth (Mobile 1 V-Twin) the oil coming out is noticeably cleaner that the dino oil on previous oil changes. Not sure why, but it still has a translucence to it as opposed to the dark, almost black look of the used dino oil. Just an observation.
I change every 3K--can't hurt, only help.