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Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al: We have stuck together since the late 1950's, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of Americacannot and will not ever agree on what is right so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way. Here is a model separation agreement: Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes. We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them). We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and ********. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood. You can make nice with Iranand Palestineand we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security. We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N.. but we will no longer be paying the bill. We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find. You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors. We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right. We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem. I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World. We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot. Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag. Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you ANWAR which one of us will need whose help in 15 years. Sincerely, John J. Wall Law Student and an American P.S. Also, please take Barbara Streisand & Jane Fonda with you
 

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How's about all conservatives move to the south, we can secede from the Union again and win this time. They won't have guns to shoot back at us with because they will have already banned them. We can name our new country, The United States of Anti-Liberal Conservatism.


Hey, I can dream can't I?
 

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i bet if you had a map with the individual counties highlighted, you be surprised how dividedeach state is. I imagine the map would turn a bit more red with blue only showing up in inner cities. that division i would take.Or we could just build a big wall around all of the major cities and fill them with water.





The definition of insanity!

Poverty in the Cities:








City, State, % of People Below the PovertyLevel

1.Detroit,MI
32.5%

2.Buffalo,NY
29.9%

3.Cincinnati,OH
27.8%

4..Cleveland,OH
27.0%

5.Miami,FL
26.9%

5.St. Louis,MO
26.8%

7.El Paso,TX
26.4%

8.Milwaukee,WI
26.2%

9.Philadelphia,PA
25.1%

10.Newark,NJ
24.2% U.S.Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007
What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

Detroit,MI(1st on the poverty rate list)hasn'telected aRepublicanmayor since 1961;
Buffalo,NY(2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954;
Cincinnati,OH(3rd)..since 1984;
Cleveland,OH(4th)..since 1989;
Miami,FL(5th) hasneverhad a Republican mayor;
St. Louis,MO(6th)....since 1949;
El Paso,TX(7th) hasneverhad a Republican mayor;
Milwaukee,WI(8th)..since 1908;
Philadelphia,PA(9th)..since 1952;
Newark,NJ(10th)...since 1907.

Einstein once said,
'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'

It is thepoor who habitually elect Democrats---yet they are still poor...
"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do forthemselves."


Abraham Lincoln
 

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Do you think China will VOTE RED??





Enjoy


Beijing, China -- The United States of America has tendered to China a written agreement which grants to the People's Republic of China, an option to exercise Eminent Domain within the USA, as collateral for China's continued purchase of US Treasury Notes and existing US Currency reserves!


On February 11, Bloomberg Business News reported that China was seeking "guarantees" for its US Government debt (Story Here), and it now appears they got it. Well placed senior sources at the US Embassy in Beijing CONFIRM the formal written agreement was delivered by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during her recent trip to China.


This means that in the event the US Government defaults on its financial obligations to China, the Communist Government of China would be permitted to physically take -- inside the USA -- land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities - to satisfy the financial obligations of the US government.


Put simply, the feds have actually mortgaged the physical land and property of all citizens and businesses in the United States. They have given to a foreign power, their Constitutional power to "take" all of our property, as actual collateral for continued Chinese funding of US deficit spending and the continued carrying of US national debt.


This is an unimaginable betrayal of every man, woman and child in the USA. An outrage worthy of violent overthrow.


Eminent Domain is the power of government to TAKE private property for public use without the consent of the property owner. Under our Constitution, the government can only "take" when providing "just compensation" for what they've taken.


Who decides what constitutes "just compensation?" The government!


in past "takings" homeowners who felt the government was not paying them enough for property have filed lawsuits. In absolutely every such case, the value placed upon the property by the government was upheld by the courts.


Our federal government has now granted to China, this power to "take" our homes and businesses in the event the US Gov't defaults on its debts.


Let's play this out as a worst case scenario. . . . . .


The US Gov't goes belly-up and China comes in and says, "they owed us $700 Billion in Treasury Notes and another $2 Trillion in actual cash money which is now worthless. We are taking the entire state of Hawaii and the entire state of California in lieu of this bad debt. "


With the stroke of a Chinese chop stick, Hawaii and California -- all the land and buildings in those states -- are now owned by China.


The "taking" would be a "valid public use" because it was "taken" in payment of the public debt!!!!


China could then turn around and declare the value of all that land to be worth. . . . . I dunno, ten cents on a dollar?


If you own a $200,000 house in either state, you get a Chinese check for $20,000.


Needless to say, the property owners would go ballistic and demand "just compensation" for what was taken. Who gets to decide what is "just?" China!


Don't think you got a fair price for what they took? No problem, sue China. You'll lose.


People who live in those states and own their land outright, might be able to negotiate with China to "rent" back what used to be their own property, as long as they continue to pay all their taxes (to China) ; but the land and buildings would belong to China!


This is what our own Government has just done to us and it is the single most vile act of betrayal in the history of human existence.


State Governments Knew This Was Coming


In early February nine U.S. States began the process of re-asserting their Sovereignty pursuant to the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the US Constitution; declaring null and void any actions by Congress that violated the Constitution.


At the time, I wrote about those state efforts (Here) and wondered why so many states were taking-up such an arcane issue in such a seemingly urgent fashion. I guess now, we know why.


The states were obviously privy to what the feds were planning to do with granting Eminent Domain to China. The states took action to make certain the feds couldn't give away cities or the states themselves!


This situation is going to get VERY ugly, VERY fast as one sovereign power (the feds) tries to literally give away the land of other sovereign powers, (the states). This is the type of thing that starts Civil War
 

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MuDfReAk said:
"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
 You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves." 


       Abraham Lincoln
I like these quotes, and agree with them. These words were never actually spoken/written by Abraham Lincoln though...



http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/l/lincoln-quotes.htm

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080511074901AAyc9Fp
 

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I don't proclaim to be a republican or a democrat. I sit somewhere inbetween. But I do tend to lean left on a lot of issues. I don't hate guns, or pickup trucks. I own one of each. Not all liberals are enviormentalist hippies. In fact that is a huge stereo type just like republicans have a stereo type of being one toothed gun slingin mud farmers down south.


The fact of the matter is, niether the republican party, or the democratic party has all the answers. Both have pros and cons just like anything in life. The fact of the matter is, this country is in the toilet right now, and was put there by a republican government. Now, would we be in this same situation if the democrats were in office for the past 8 years? Who knows. But I believe the reason Obama won the vote by so much is because people wanted to see something different. Because when it comes down to it, Bush didn't cut it. You can support bush to the death while turning a blind eye to the facts. But Bush ****** up, plain and simple.


Is Obama going to fix things? Maybe, maybe not. We'll have to see. All I know is that Guns, Abortion, and gay marriage don't mean *** to me right now. Lets try and get this country back on track before we worry about such trivial social issues. It makes me sick that some replublicans base their vote solely on those issues. It's retarded.
 

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you don't know what you are talking about. last i checked Bush didn't spend 2 trillion dollars on BS orraise the taxes on the very people whokeep this country working, driving the stock market down to nothing anddestroyingeveryones (who works) 401k. Maybe instead of hiding behind your "i don't like labels" proclamation, you should open your eyes and see what is happening tothis once great country. or you could continue to be ignorant only adding to the demise.those who aren't part of the solution are part of the problem.


P.S. save us from your lame response. no one wants to here it. I don't feel it is my job to not only pay for people who encourage socialism, but to educate them as well.





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I don't proclaim to be a republican or a democrat. I sit somewhere inbetween. But I do tend to lean left on a lot of issues. I don't hate guns, or pickup trucks. I own one of each. Not all liberals are enviormentalist hippies. In fact that is a huge stereo type just like republicans have a stereo type of being one toothed gun slingin mud farmers down south.


The fact of the matter is, niether the republican party, or the democratic party has all the answers. Both have pros and cons just like anything in life. The fact of the matter is, this country is in the toilet right now, and was put there by a republican government. Now, would we be in this same situation if the democrats were in office for the past 8 years? Who knows. But I believe the reason Obama won the vote by so much is because people wanted to see something different. Because when it comes down to it, Bush didn't cut it. You can support bush to the death while turning a blind eye to the facts. But Bush ****** up, plain and simple.


Is Obama going to fix things? Maybe, maybe not. We'll have to see. All I know is that Guns, Abortion, and gay marriage don't mean *** to me right now. Lets try and get this country back on track before we worry about such trivial social issues. It makes me sick that some replublicans base their vote solely on those issues. It's retarded.
 

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you don't know what you are talking about. last i checked Bush didn't spend 2 trillion dollars on BS or raise the taxes on the very people who keep this country working, driving the stock market down to nothing and destroying everyones (who works) 401k. Maybe instead of hiding behind your "i don't like labels" proclamation, you should open your eyes and see what is happening to this once great country. or you could continue to be ignorant only adding to the demise. those who aren't part of the solution are part of the problem.


P.S. save us from your lame response. no one wants to here it. I don't feel it is my job to not only pay for people who encourage socialism, but to educate them as well.





Scoper50 said:
I don't proclaim to be a republican or a democrat.  I sit somewhere inbetween.  But I do tend to lean left on a lot of issues.  I don't hate guns, or pickup trucks.  I own one of each.  Not all liberals are enviormentalist hippies.  In fact that is a huge stereo type just like republicans have a stereo type of being one toothed gun slingin mud farmers down south. 


The fact of the matter is, niether the republican party, or the democratic party has all the answers.  Both have pros and cons just like anything in life.  The fact of the matter is, this country is in the toilet right now, and was put there by a republican government.  Now, would we be in this same situation if the democrats were in office for the past 8 years?  Who knows.  But I believe the reason Obama won the vote by so much is because people wanted to see something different.  Because when it comes down to it, Bush didn't cut it.  You can support bush to the death while turning a blind eye to the facts.  But Bush ****** up, plain and simple. 


Is Obama going to fix things?  Maybe, maybe not.  We'll have to see.  All I know is that Guns, Abortion, and gay marriage don't mean *** to me right now.  Lets try and get this country back on track before we worry about such trivial social issues.  It makes me sick that some replublicans base their vote solely on those issues.  It's retarded. 
I want to hear what you have to say, Scoper. I agree with most of your statement. Good thoughts.



Mudfreak, remember that Bush (who I voted for) led us into war. Some agreed with that motion, and others did not -- just like the motions that Obama is putting into place -- some agree and others don't. I don't think anyone can really say how much this war has truly cost us so far, and how much it is going to continue to cost the American economy. From what I've seen, Americans (through taxes, as usual) have paid nearly 1 trillion dollars so far, to support the cost of that war -- and that's just the economic cost, not to mention the cost to our social standing in the world.



I did not vote for Obama. I am hoping and trusting that he represents us well, and helps to lead our current administration in the correct direction.



I agree with Scoper's thought that neither party has all the right answers.
 

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So Bush spent 1 trillion in 8 yrs and that is somehow comparable to 2 trillion(and counting) in a matter of weeks....hmmm. some people just have Bush derangement syndrome and think he has ruined this country. Have we been attacked since 9/11? I do not agree with Bush on many things, but i really like how good Obama is making him look.


i agree that no party hasall of the answers..or answers to satisfy everyone. But socialism is not the answer, it has NEVER worked anywhere. I'm done with this argument. Some people like to work for what they have and others like people to work for what they have. Welcome back Carter





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MuDfReAk said:
you don't know what you are talking about. last i checked Bush didn't spend 2 trillion dollars on BS orraise the taxes on the very people whokeep this country working, driving the stock market down to nothing anddestroyingeveryones (who works) 401k. Maybe instead of hiding behind your "i don't like labels" proclamation, you should open your eyes and see what is happening tothis once great country. or you could continue to be ignorant only adding to the demise.those who aren't part of the solution are part of the problem.


P.S. save us from your lame response. no one wants to here it. I don't feel it is my job to not only pay for people who encourage socialism, but to educate them as well.





Scoper50 said:
I don't proclaim to be a republican or a democrat. I sit somewhere inbetween. But I do tend to lean left on a lot of issues. I don't hate guns, or pickup trucks. I own one of each. Not all liberals are enviormentalist hippies. In fact that is a huge stereo type just like republicans have a stereo type of being one toothed gun slingin mud farmers down south.


The fact of the matter is, niether the republican party, or the democratic party has all the answers. Both have pros and cons just like anything in life. The fact of the matter is, this country is in the toilet right now, and was put there by a republican government. Now, would we be in this same situation if the democrats were in office for the past 8 years? Who knows. But I believe the reason Obama won the vote by so much is because people wanted to see something different. Because when it comes down to it, Bush didn't cut it. You can support bush to the death while turning a blind eye to the facts. But Bush ****** up, plain and simple.


Is Obama going to fix things? Maybe, maybe not. We'll have to see. All I know is that Guns, Abortion, and gay marriage don't mean *** to me right now. Lets try and get this country back on track before we worry about such trivial social issues. It makes me sick that some replublicans base their vote solely on those issues. It's retarded.
I want to hear what you have to say, Scoper. I agree with most of your statement. Good thoughts.

Mudfreak, remember that Bush (who I voted for) led us into war. Some agreed with that motion, and others did not -- just like the motions that Obama is putting into place -- some agree and others don't. I don't think anyone can really say how much this war has truly cost us so far, and how much it is going to continue to cost the American economy. From what I've seen, Americans (through taxes, as usual) have paid nearly 1 trillion dollars so far, to support the cost of that war -- and that's just the economic cost, not to mention the cost to our social standing in the world.

I did not vote for Obama. I am hoping and trusting that he represents us well, and helps to lead our current administration in the correct direction.

I agree with Scoper's thought that neither party has all the right answers.
 

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The weirdest thing about that map is that florida voted 98.2% Republican and NOBAMA won places like Miami (or as we floridians call it, lil cuba). I agree with the divorce paper and praise the thought of it..+1
 

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Donncada said:

Ahhhh yes, the classic population mass map...


Unfortunately for you dems this is not the actual case as far as land mass goes.


Try here... http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.htmlfor an actual map.


If you divided it by county you would really be losing some ground...see Nevada for example...


redone!

It is the Electoral Votecartogram (not map)which would be most indicative of a seperation of states (Red vs Blue)
If you are a blue or Red foreigner--get out



Check out the wiki on red and blue states. (There are or course inherent flaws in these maps but htey make for humorous bantor.)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states





 

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Donncada said:
It is the Electoral Votecartogram (not map)
Learn something new every day!


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which would be most indicative of a seperation of states
not sure how you get this though?? Your 'cartogram' enlarges areas of large population (look at the miami area for instance) and shrinks other areas (Montana for instance). Not that I support seperation or anything but I dont think you could "shrink" montana...not without a fight anyhow...and I dont think the gun hating libs would fare very well in a fire fight.
 
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