I don't even have a pcIII yet, but this is encouragement to get one! Thanks!

 

Sounds good!

 

i bought 50ft of serial port cable for $18 & threw 1 end out of my upstairs window where my computer lives & hooked up that way. just a thought

 

Sure Dog, but this way you can go for a rip to test the map and make changes away from home in case a mod is needed on your map.

 

quote:Use the BMAPT (proposed name) software to build and access the map database in real-time with similar grid-like visual than the DynoJet Windows App.


Will the Palm app be able to set the throttle position and display RPM and other displays as with the Dynojet software? If so, that would be way cool, especially when trying to fine tune your own map. Imagine having you palm mounted to the handlebars, displaying RPM & Throttle position. You would know exactly which cells in the grid need to be adjusted.

 

There's a significant piece missing here.
I write Palm software.

Where's the hardware?
Is there some Springboard(for Handspring) or bluetooth(newer Palm brand) module that allows serial connection?

On top of that, it states above that Dynojet software is still required to download to the PC3. That software isn't PalmOS, is it? So, you're still stuck with the laptop or long serial cable problem.

Do you have hardware in mind and plans to support the download to the PC3 in the future?

Another thought occurs... Do you mean PocketPC? Some of them have serial connections and support for running minor Windows software(which might include the Dynojet software). Then again, you did mentioned PalmOS 3.1. I'm still in a quandary about the hardware...

 

Oooo!!!

I just noticed on the Dynojet webpage that they DO indeed have the serial adapter cables for sale($/emoticons/emotion-11.gif AND a PalmOS version of their software also!

Cool!!
Ignore my above post...

 

Dynojet already has the hardware setup for the palm - you just have to buy a special adapter to use with the HotSync cable for $8. They also have the software to upload the map to the PCIII. What Gear's software will do is allow you to modify the map on the Palm before uploading to PCIII. Is that right Gear? I think this is how it would work:

1. Get map to PC.
2. Send map to Palm using HotSync.
3. Modify map on Palm using Gear's software.
4. Upload to PCIII using Dynojet's software.
5. Repeat steps 3 & 4 on the road while testing.

I think it would be well worth the $10 to be able to do #3 and #5.

 

Got it Rex!

Here's the link tot he Serial adapter for those interested...

http://www.powercommander.com/palmadaptor.shtml

 

quote:Originally posted by RexWarrior

Dynojet already has the hardware setup for the palm - you just have to buy a special adapter to use with the HotSync cable for $8. They also have the software to upload the map to the PCIII. What Gear's software will do is allow you to modify the map on the Palm before uploading to PCIII. Is that right Gear? I think this is how it would work:

1. Get map to PC.
2. Send map to Palm using HotSync.
3. Modify map on Palm using Gear's software.
4. Upload to PCIII using Dynojet's software.
5. Repeat steps 3 & 4 on the road while testing.

I think it would be well worth the $10 to be able to do #3 and #5.


Exactly right Rex. Except you don't absolutely need map from PC, you can create your own from PalmOS from scratch. Keep Palm Pilot connected all the time to PCIII via serial cable and Dyno Adapter and make mods as you please.

 

quote:Originally posted by RexWarrior

quote:Use the BMAPT (proposed name) software to build and access the map database in real-time with similar grid-like visual than the DynoJet Windows App.


Will the Palm app be able to set the throttle position and display RPM and other displays as with the Dynojet software? If so, that would be way cool, especially when trying to fine tune your own map. Imagine having you palm mounted to the handlebars, displaying RPM & Throttle position. You would know exactly which cells in the grid need to be adjusted.


It will not read engine RPM in real-time nor give feedback on throttle position, sorry.

This is purely a map modification program and does not communicate with PCIII at all. This is why MapList is needed to upload map to PCIII.

It will however have the same grid (Throttle % vs. Engine RPM) layout as the PowerCommander software for your PC.

DynoJet has no knowledge of our planned project nor does it endorse it. But I'll bet our map modification software will be out before theirs and they'll probably sell it for more than $10.

 

Oh and by the way, beaming will be supported so that you can easily share maps with your fellow warriors also having Palm Pilots.

Scenario:

Stopped at light.
Warrior 1: "Hey dude try my new map!"
Warrior 2: "Beam it to me!"
Warrior 1 (5 seconds later) : "There you go, let me know how it goes."
Warrior 2 (30 seconds later) : "This new map really rocks!"

 

That sounds good in theory but I prefer jacking with my maps while on a dyno so I can get real readouts on the impact and not have to go by my seat of the pants feel. Granted I use my palm to transfer maps to my bike, I just don't believe I would use it to do custom mapping.

 

Dynos are fine to get a base map in ideal conditions (i.e. room temperature, no humidity, certain altitude, no 80 mph wind distorting air flow to intake, etc.). IMHO riding the bike in outside conditions is the real test and often maps may require tweaking.

I am also relunctant to pay $250 a pop for a dyno run. But that's just me.

 

Now I've got problems...

GearMonster, HELP!

I've got a Handspring Visor Prism. According to some random research findings on the web, Hangspring's serial connection is TTL, not RS232. This means that it operates on 5v or 0v. RS232(what Palm uses) operates -12v to +12v. The Dynojet website says that use of a null modem serial connector will damage the PC3. I ordered the serial adapter from the Dynojet website, but now I'm unclear on whether I should try it or not. I don't know enough about what a "null modem" connector is and how that relates to RS232 vs. TTL.

I'm scared. Do you know enough about this to give me advice?

 

Serrata,

I do not know much about the Handspring hardware, but if it can HotSync from the cradle to the PC, it must have a TTL to RS-232 converter. If it doesn't, then it relies on the fact that a PC's COM port interprets +5 as the +12 and 0 as -12 (I think the technical term I am looking for here is 'Hysterisis').

Anyway, my theory would be that if the PC interprets the TTL levels ok then the adapter should work. Just in case, fire off an email to Dynojet (or PowerCommander) to find out for sure. If they say its ok and you bust your PCIII then its at their cost, right?

 

Thanks much.

It makes sense that their serial cradle would make the conversion directly.

I'll doublecheck w/ Dynojet.

 

Seratta:

Just a note on how I've been using my Palm for setting up my own and a couple other local's Warriors: First, you GOTTA use Dyno's null modem. It's modified so as not to damage your PCIII. A standard serial cable is used to hook up to your desk top or lap top, no problem, BUT if you use a standard null modem with the Palm you'll smoke the PCIII. Use the 'get map' command on your computer to download the map that's actually in the PCIII, then compare it to a proposed map that's built for your particular equipment. Ride the bike with both maps and make some educated guesses or whatever. Do everything from WOT to 5th gear low speed roll ons. Go home and build a few maps that modify the delivery in the cells where an improvement is needed. Go back out and load/evaluate the maps one at a time till you've got it where you want it. Kind of a tedious process, but well worth the effort. I attach the modified null modem to the PCIII and use a short serial cable to run from under the seat to the Palm in my pocket. Don't even get off the bike to change maps. I sent out a map I built this way to some guys on the Delphi forum, (can't remember the names), and got rave reviews. If I remember one fella dynoe'd his bike with my map and got really good numbers, about 101 hp and around 114 tq if I remember right. I use an old Palm M100 and a newer M125 with a 32mb card. Since I'm not known for changing batterys on schedule, and have lost all my data due to dead batts, I put the important stuff on the card. Hope it helps, have fun!!

 

Has anyone successfully used a Hand Spring PDA (visor deluxe) to transfer maps? I have tried both serial and usb cradles on 3 computers to transfer maps to my PDA and all come up with error that it can't find the PDA. I have the latest software and have followed all the instructions on DynoJets website.

 

GearMonster, Why don't you impress me, and write a program for the PocketPC? The PPC is much more capable than the Palm, and maybe you could perform all the functions of a PC....

TJ

 

Taiwan,

When will you Microsoft wannabe's ever learn. The role of a PDA IS NOT to replace a PC, nor immitate one. It is to complement ones everyday requirements to jot down ideas, schedule appointments, keep notes, plan your day and play the odd game.

In our case, its to create, modify and upload custom maps to the PCIII. Also to avoid having to buy an expensive laptop (or PocketPC for that matter) or lug around your desktop PC.

That is the primary focus of the Palm software I am currently developing.

Once again, the PocketPC would be overkill for performing this function.

 

No G, my Pocket PC can, and does, replace a PC. My Pocket PC has more power than the first 3 computers I owned, combined. As for jotting notes, and keeping track of appointments, I don't need it. I guess I am not that important[/emoticons/emotion-1.gif] The PPC is just another toy just like the Warrior.

As for Microsoft Wannabe... They suck, but they rule, bottom line.

TJ