Has anyone tried the techlusion system. Everything I've ever read talks about the Power Comanders. The Techlusion is available through Kuriakin (sorry about the spelling I'm going from memorie here), it just looks like a better system to me. You get to fine tune it to the bike, it still compensates for altitude, and it cost's a little less. I'd just like to hear from someone who's tried it.
Meatball
The Techlusion or TFI was going to be my first choice when I first purchased my Warrior, but it like a few other fuel optimizers on the market "ONLY" allow you to richen the mixture. It does not compensate for altitude, only the stock ECU compensates for altitude. This is fact. The Power Commader is the only programmable unit available on the market. I am not trying to discourage you from purchasing the TFI, but for a few $$$ more you will get a better product that has more flexability with the ability to custom map, program etc. You can adjust the PCIII manuelly, buy the seat of your pants also just like the TFI, but the PCIII gives you the ability to work with both air & fuel mixture not just fuel. It is your money and whichever direction you decide will be fine, but if you want optimum performance the only way you will ever acheive that is with the PCIII.
quote:Originally posted by DarkStar
The Techlusion or TFI was going to be my first choice when I first purchased my Warrior, but it like a few other fuel optimizers on the market "ONLY" allow you to richen the mixture. It does not compensate for altitude, only the stock ECU compensates for altitude. This is fact. The Power Commader is the only programmable unit available on the market. I am not trying to discourage you from purchasing the TFI, but for a few $$$ more you will get a better product that has more flexability with the ability to custom map, program etc. You can adjust the PCIII manuelly, buy the seat of your pants also just like the TFI, but the PCIII gives you the ability to work with both air & fuel mixture not just fuel. It is your money and whichever direction you decide will be fine, but if you want optimum performance the only way you will ever acheive that is with the PCIII.
The Techlusion or TFI was going to be my first choice when I first purchased my Warrior, but it like a few other fuel optimizers on the market "ONLY" allow you to richen the mixture. It does not compensate for altitude, only the stock ECU compensates for altitude. This is fact. The Power Commader is the only programmable unit available on the market. I am not trying to discourage you from purchasing the TFI, but for a few $$$ more you will get a better product that has more flexability with the ability to custom map, program etc. You can adjust the PCIII manuelly, buy the seat of your pants also just like the TFI, but the PCIII gives you the ability to work with both air & fuel mixture not just fuel. It is your money and whichever direction you decide will be fine, but if you want optimum performance the only way you will ever acheive that is with the PCIII.
SInce the introduction of the TFI which, as Darkstar has explained in detail, we have found out how to program the CO per cylinder ( enrichen or lean out the mixture) using the stock ECU & adjusting its settings.
OK so enlighten me a little. This EFI/motorcycle thing is all pretty new to me. I rode my old gold wing for 14 years befor trading up.
Question number 1) If I go to a PC111, does my fuel injection still compensate for altitude. I live in Calgary Canada at about 5000ft, If I spend a day riding west I go through three mountain ranges and end up at sea level. I thought I read somwhere once that the Tci still allowed the fuel injection system to do it's job while slightly richening the mixture, while the Power Commander actually fooled the fuel system into thinking it was at a different altitude.
2) The Techlusion system has three pots on it for tuning, similar to a carberators jetting system, one for low speed, one for main and the other to set the transition point from low to high. Maybe it's just easier for an old guy like me to get my head around. I don't want to sound like a TCi salesman, I'm just trying to make a decision.
Question number 1) If I go to a PC111, does my fuel injection still compensate for altitude. I live in Calgary Canada at about 5000ft, If I spend a day riding west I go through three mountain ranges and end up at sea level. I thought I read somwhere once that the Tci still allowed the fuel injection system to do it's job while slightly richening the mixture, while the Power Commander actually fooled the fuel system into thinking it was at a different altitude.
2) The Techlusion system has three pots on it for tuning, similar to a carberators jetting system, one for low speed, one for main and the other to set the transition point from low to high. Maybe it's just easier for an old guy like me to get my head around. I don't want to sound like a TCi salesman, I'm just trying to make a decision.
I got a question. I have a TFI with a HK excellerator and stock aircleaner. what would be a close setting for the 4 pots. I been fooling with the pots but I am kinda lost on what to look for. instruction came with a warrior setup sheet but I lost it. Even telling me what your setting is will help me figure if I am way off what I should be at. The first pot says to adjust with the rev at approx 2k and turn until it revs up then goes down and stop before go down but my rev only goes up not down. 3rd pot says to adjust using the red light but no red light comes on at any rev point.
Maui,
You should trying starting another post on this setting issue of yours. It will get lost in this thread. I cannot help you since I do not have the TFI.
Ed
You should trying starting another post on this setting issue of yours. It will get lost in this thread. I cannot help you since I do not have the TFI.
Ed
I'm going to order the Techlusion TFI box based on all the discussion here on it and the PCIII, also because the sales manager where I bought the bike said he tried the PCIII and said it made his bike run like
S_ _ T. Then he tried the Techlusion and loves it. I would guess though that he just put it on(PCIII)and didn't really know what to do from there. From what I've read, if some of you guys were getting 84+ HP with the Techlusion v/70+ stock, that's pretty darn good! Does the PCIII do better then that in any substantial amount that makes it worth the x-tra $$$ and work? (Getting it dyno'd)
S_ _ T. Then he tried the Techlusion and loves it. I would guess though that he just put it on(PCIII)and didn't really know what to do from there. From what I've read, if some of you guys were getting 84+ HP with the Techlusion v/70+ stock, that's pretty darn good! Does the PCIII do better then that in any substantial amount that makes it worth the x-tra $$$ and work? (Getting it dyno'd)
Personaly I ended up re setting the ECU and the thing runs beautifully, I wouldn't waste my money on either one of them. Washington Warrior compared the stock ECU to a PC111 on a dyno and didn't come up with any significant power gains. I've got amazing throttle response, good mileage, idles smooth, nice plug color. Can somebady tell me again why I need to spend the extra cash, cause I'm pretty tight with it. I need all I can get for new rear rubber.
This conversation is on a subject that I'm trying to learn more about, but everytime I think I'm starting to understand better, I get lost in the details again.
I live at 7000 ft. with a slip-on Cobra and no other adjustments, I appear to be running just the slightest bit rich... (Not really a bad thing during break-in) Anyone with an opinion about the Warrior at altitude??? And where to go next???
I live at 7000 ft. with a slip-on Cobra and no other adjustments, I appear to be running just the slightest bit rich... (Not really a bad thing during break-in) Anyone with an opinion about the Warrior at altitude??? And where to go next???
I live just outside Calgary Canada 5000ft. I can get from 4000 to 6000 in about a 20 minute ride. The EFI has pressure sensors measureing atmosphereic pressure and throttle body pressure. I've never had any hiccups due to altitude. I'm running BUB's and a BAK with the stock ECU tweeked up 6 points. The only thing that ever seems to have an effect on it is temperature. It backfires on decel untill I get a couple of miles on it and it doesn't like real cold days but it gets over it. On the Canadian prairies if you only ride on the really nice days you get a lot less miles in.
quote:Originally posted by Meatball
Personaly I ended up re setting the ECU and the thing runs beautifully, I wouldn't waste my money on either one of them. Washington Warrior compared the stock ECU to a PC111 on a dyno and didn't come up with any significant power gains. I've got amazing throttle response, good mileage, idles smooth, nice plug color. Can somebady tell me again why I need to spend the extra cash, cause I'm pretty tight with it. I need all I can get for new rear rubber.
while i agree that you may not necessarily need a pc3, the pc3 will in fact allow you to tune the a/f ratio across the entire rpm spectrum, as where adjusting the stock ecu won't allow that; its adjustments are across the board.
for example, your a/f ratio might be good at idle and at 4k, but between 2k and 3.5k you might be runnig too lean, or perhaps too rich. this is where the pc3 will be vauluable for making those fine adjustments. your peak hp and torque numbers may not necessarily improve after instaling a pc3, however it should make a better curve along the entire range of the graph.
in fact, i'm going to the dyno today to check my numbers, and see what the a/f ratio looks like across the spectrum, and then decide on whether or not to install a pc3 or tfi or whatever.
Personaly I ended up re setting the ECU and the thing runs beautifully, I wouldn't waste my money on either one of them. Washington Warrior compared the stock ECU to a PC111 on a dyno and didn't come up with any significant power gains. I've got amazing throttle response, good mileage, idles smooth, nice plug color. Can somebady tell me again why I need to spend the extra cash, cause I'm pretty tight with it. I need all I can get for new rear rubber.
while i agree that you may not necessarily need a pc3, the pc3 will in fact allow you to tune the a/f ratio across the entire rpm spectrum, as where adjusting the stock ecu won't allow that; its adjustments are across the board.
for example, your a/f ratio might be good at idle and at 4k, but between 2k and 3.5k you might be runnig too lean, or perhaps too rich. this is where the pc3 will be vauluable for making those fine adjustments. your peak hp and torque numbers may not necessarily improve after instaling a pc3, however it should make a better curve along the entire range of the graph.
in fact, i'm going to the dyno today to check my numbers, and see what the a/f ratio looks like across the spectrum, and then decide on whether or not to install a pc3 or tfi or whatever.
quote:Originally posted by torque
Originally posted by Meatball
. . . i'm going to the dyno today to check my numbers, and see what the a/f ratio looks like across the spectrum, . . .
Anxiously awaiting the results!
Originally posted by Meatball
. . . i'm going to the dyno today to check my numbers, and see what the a/f ratio looks like across the spectrum, . . .
Anxiously awaiting the results!
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