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Welcome the Harley convert

3.2K views 43 replies 35 participants last post by  JoeH  
#1 ·
Good day, folks!

I had my first "serious" bike about 15 years ago. It was the famed Honda Nighthawk 750. I loved that bike because it looked and felt and rode like a bike and not like a spacecraft.

I wanted to get back into bikes about 5 years ago. My buddies at the time all rode Harleys, and they convinced me that Harleys were now reliable and high-quality. So I went with them to the local Harley dealer and bought a 2000 XL Custom. The 3 month wait added much to my anticipation of this bike. It *looked* like the bike I wanted. Harley riders all seemed happy and well-adjusted. I was sure I'd made the right decision.

3 months later, my bike arrived. Shaking with anticipation, I went to the dealer and there she was, a very pretty bike indeed, and as one neighboor would say, "very shiny". Harley's have a fairly restrictive break-in procedure. So as I pulled out of the parking lot, I kept it very easy. Yet I still immediately felt that this bike was completely without cajones. 50 miles later, I was allowed to rev it a little more, and still I could not believe how much this machine felt like a moped. I continued through the break-in period and one day gave her all she had, and it wasn't very much.

I got the stage I. That didn't do anything. I got the Thunder this and the Screaming that, still nothing. Finally I slapped down $6000 and had the entire top end re-built, new carb, cams, ignition, the works. Everything but the bottom end had been replaced. Again a tedious break-in period, after which I could feel a bit more bike, but not much.

3000 miles later, the bike blew up on the freeway and now sits as a pile of junk in my garage: http://www.slaughters.com/albums/thumbnails.php?album=18.

I figured the heap was worth around $3000. I also figured a new "real" engine would run around $7000. So I told myself if I could find something I liked for near $10K, I'd make the conversion.

Monday night I signed the paperwork on a 2002 Warrior that had been reduced to $9,999.

I was only allowed to ride it up and down a 2 block stretch, but I could immediately tell there was something special between the wheels. I've now taken out through the canyons (careful not to take it much above 3,000 RPM), and I finish my rides giggling and drooling rather than trying to figure out how to get more power.

To you folks who never bothered with the Harley, you are extremely lucky. This Warrior is what a current Harley would be if they'd kept their shi* together and not ridden on the name for the last 30 years. This bike has handling, power, AND soul. The bike growels. This bike sounds much more menacing than the countless Harley's out there with their bologna cut drag pipes. It's not the volume, it's the sound of power hiding in that fat exhaust can. You can feel it. I can't imagine what this bike sounds like with a set of Hooker headers /emoticons/emotion-1.gif

There were no moped fantasies following this purchase. This is a bike. It is beautiful and tight and hyper engineered. This is the first Jap cruieser I've seen that really truly enters into the Harley domain. IMHO, this bike is the first of the Harley killers.

I know there are ****'s Angels and pot-bellied ZZ Top look-alikes laughing at me right now. But I'll be the one laughing at the next stop light.
 
#28 ·
My wifes roadstar revs even lower at 80 mph, about 200 or so rpm's,and she has fun with the rollons when we incounter the HD boys and girls, you always here them click down a gear or two just to keep up with me on my warrior and her on her roadie, of course when we are on my FJR1300 even v-rods dont stand a chance, cant wait to feel the exta 10 or so foot pounds of torque in my engine when my tranny recall is done next month, i just got in my HC pistons from yamaha, just gonna do the pistons, dont worry about oil drips and s%$#@T like that,yamaha uses state of art gaskets, enjoy your new ride and welcome to the forum, as you can read we are very loyal to our risers and HD people are to thier harleys, but we got the better deal.
 
#30 ·
quote:Originally posted by hl_slaughter

er, sorry, i got this bike not knowing anything about either of the recalls. if either/both apply, i'm sorely disappointed in my dealer for not telling me about this.


Don't sweat it, I have 23K and been across half the country without a problem (except that rear tire blowing in Butte Montana and it's a tough tire to find out there).
As far as the dealer not telling you, chances are your tank is already fixed and half the dealers still don;t know there is a recall
 
#32 ·
First, let me say "Welcome".
I want to say one thing in defense of Harley Davidson. The Harley is made in America, by Americans who make a living wage. Therefore, when you make the decision to buy a Harley, a large percentage of the money you lay down goes to those workers in Milwaukee and York.
The same holds true with the , Now defunct, Indian. They simply priced themselves out of business. If you get the chance to check out the inovations on the Indian, I think you will be very impressed.
Bikes like ours (Yamahas) will outlast anything presently made in
America, by at least 50,000 miles and will cost half as much. Harley Davidson could make a bike for half the cost, if they would only put a plant south of the border. But, they refuse to do that.would it be the same, if they did? I suggest that we all buy a Harley and park it in the garage, for our sunday show and tell and ride our rice burners the rest of the time.
This is food for thought, please read between the lines.
Thanks
Hack
 
#33 ·
Thanks for all your replies.

I talked to my dealer today. apparently the found out about the recall the day after i bought my bike /emoticons/emotion-1.gif

but the service manager convinced me they have a top notch garage. he's having his top mechanic (30+ years exp.) doing ALL the tranny recalls. i found that re-assuring. he also told me it was a 2 day job.

so my next question to all of you is how to decide what mod i want. i'd probably be willing to spend up to 5 grand to get what i want. what i want is a sickeningly powerful cruiser that will keep up with even the v-rod (if that's even possible).

how do i decide the most bang for buck combination? and i have no idea how to match components.

maybe we should start a "The Ultimate Tranny Recall Upgrade" thread? or is there already such a thread? (i find these forums somewhat hard to navigate). With what little I currently know about the bike, i'd probably start with the following list:

[*]PCIII
[*]yamaha stage iv kit or patrick racing equiv. (whatever has more bang for buck)
[*]appropriate headers (no idea which)
[*]hi-flow breather kit (k&n?)
[*]kick ass aggresive cam kit
[*]ignition module (do fuel injected motors have these ? /emoticons/emotion-1.gif
[/list]

i understand if i go with the yamaha stage iv, it includes breathers, cams, headers, etc...

i've also heard mentioned stage kits greater than iv, but i guess these are non-yamaha.

my suspicion is that the safest bet is the yamaha stage iv. could i do much better than this HP wise with another configuration? if so, can't imagine it being all that much greater.

and of course i want some degree of reliabilty, so no stroking, turbo, NOS, etc /emoticons/emotion-1.gif
 
#34 ·
I would think that with the bike under warranty you'd want to go yammi stage4.

Also, I don't really agree that having the "engine and trans all tore apart" is that big of a deal in the reliabilty dept. I mean come on - it was put together once at the factory - it's not like it was magically created all together. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to pull it apart and reassemble it. The reliabilty comes mainly with the design in my humble opinion...

Mr. Slaughter - I think you're gonna be very satisfied with this machine especially with those upgrades you're considering. Welcome to the club.
 
#37 ·
This bike with a stage IV kit will eat Vrods. One of the nice things about the kit is it's got everything you need with the exception of a BAK and that's cheap. You already have the cams, the speed star ECU kicks your fuel injection and timing up a notch, the clutch is stronger. I love the OE stuff and Rob has been a wealth of information, but the Yamaha kit is a good choice. And if you order the full kit it even comes with a pretty cool 2 into one header. The only hard part will be getting the stupid grin off your face.
 
#38 ·
Welcome guys, it was really interesting reading all of your posts and comments. When I decided to move from street bikes to cruisers I looked very hard at H-Ds but just couldn't justify the price when I could see a better performing and handling bike for much less cash, and boy am I glad I bought my Warrior.

I get your point hackfoo about the 'Made in the USA' thing and we have the same thing here in the UK with Norton, but the bottom line is; when it comes to cash, and if you don't have a bottomless pit of the stuff, then loyalty takes a back seat.
 
#39 ·
Yeah, you don't need stage IV to keep up with vrods but with that or Orient/Patrick equivelent, you'll have fun embarrassing v-rods. As far as the loyality to the USA goes, my first loyality is to my wallet, family and myself (not necessarily in that order). I buy the best with the money I'm willing to spend. If USA products can't compete, that's not my problem and I won't subsidize inferior quality with my dollars. I'll buy all USA stuff if it's better, I just wonder if that will ever happen again
 
#43 ·
Hi brother welcome, I am another Harley convert, I still like Harleys....from a distance anyway, I have had my fill for now. I bought my RSW in mid 2002 I love it. I especially like rolling up to the Harley shop and watching the hardcore Harley guys pretend not to notice it, and when they muster enough huevos to be seen looking at it, the kind ones usually end the inspection by saying, Yep pretty nice but it aint a Harley. For me I like all bikes, just some better than others
 
#44 ·
Hack,
I agree with you somewhat, and I rode harleys only from 1979-1986, BUT when the harley craze hit I heard of too many dealers telling loyal hd riders "you take whatever bike comes in when your name is at the top of the list." Telling folks you don't get what you want, you get what I let you have. I know several longtime harley riders that went jap because of that kind of treatment, and are happy they did.
WELCOME HL
Joe