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#1 ·
I keep seeing these posts about you guys scraping your pegs and your mounts. My bike has the flip 'n grind so it should be even easier for me to drag, yet I can't seem to do it. I have curvy roads where I live, so what's my problem? My chicken strips on the rear tire are getting smaller, maybe 1/2" wide or less.


I wish I had someone experienced to ride with who could observe my technique and tell me how to safely get further over. I love the bike and don't want to have it slide out from under me, but I know I can touch the pegs. What do I need to do?
 
#4 ·
I don't have a Warrior, but I can get some scrapagae on my v star. Just get a little practice leaning into bends at slower speeds (not slow as to fall over of course) then as you get more comfortable, just keepleaning a little bit more each time with increased speed as you get more comfortable with doing so.
After a while you'll get the hang of it. But be careful, as you don't want to push yourself to where you don't feel safe, and remember, the first time you catch a little peg, that you don't want to go to far, because it could stand the bike up, or you could end up laying it down
 
#5 ·
Sushi, I think they are all going into an up hill curve, that would bring that edge closer to the road. Down here in the flatlands, I have only scraped once. It was an emergency situation, when I was turning into a parking lot, and a lady was coming toward me in my lane. I cut it hard, and scraped the right pegs. Scared the sh!t out of me.


I did scrape my pipes once, and that was going up hill into a parking lot also, right after I lowered it.
 
#7 ·
I've never even touched a peg down and I've got 12,000 miles on the warrior now. I've decided that I'm not going to chase chicken strips or peg/frame scrapes. However, I will say that my hat goes off to the people with crazy skills and can lean over so far that they are scraping hard parts.


JamieB
 
#9 ·
Sushi_Biker said:
I keep seeing these posts about you guys scraping your pegs and your mounts. My bike has the flip 'n grind so it should be even easier for me to drag, yet I can't seem to do it. I have curvy roads where I live, so what's my problem?

Your a pansy...


Just kidding. IMO, there a whole host of reasons why you may not be able to learn as far or corner as quickly as the next guy. Could be anything from fear of losing traction tolack of saddle time to some fundamental performance riding errors. One of the biggest things I see with people I ride with is they fail to get there breaking done before the turn. This causes them to break through the turn which makes the bike more difficult to lean over and it overworks the front suspension. Get your breaking done early, lean the bike and crack open the throttle ASAP. If you are serious about improving your riding I would highly recommend reading Kieth Code's "A Twist of the Wrist 2" or Nick Ientasch's (sp?) "Sport Riding Techinques". Both of these books are geared more toward sportbikes but the vast majority of the information is applicable to any bike. The stock tires are more than capable of maintaining traction at pretty decent lean angles and barring hitting oil or something are not going to slide out from under you in a turn. With a little practice and correct technique you should have no problem dragging the pegs, especially on a lowered bike. A little practice and it will become anuisance/hinderance more than something you are looking to do, my Legends forward controls are all goobered up on the left side and my exhaust looks like someones hacksawed the lower portion of the bottom exhaust tip off...
 
#10 ·
I definitely copy on the braking early part. I have observed that sometimes I wait too long and I immediately know when I've "missed the turn". It sounds like I'm not opening the throttle enough and leaning over enough once I'm set up for the turn.


As I sit here, I have a copy of Twist of the Wrist. I haven't read it yet but I'll crack it open now.
 
#11 ·
Sushi_Biker said:
As I sit here, I have a copy of Twist of the Wrist. I haven't read it yet but I'll crack it open now.




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That will get you on the right track. I would recommend reading a section (I think each section is a few chapters long) and then going out and riding for a little while and working on what you have read. Im not sure about the original book but in Twist of the Wrist 2 (which is the same book I believe just updated) the very firstsection is about throttle control and getting on the gas early. There is a reason it's the first chapter and if you want to improve your riding and corner speed I would recommend getting a good handle on that section.
 
#12 ·
Sushi...I have not heard anyone mention looking past the corner. If you are looking where you are, you probably won't get leaned enough.

Try looking a little past the turn (where you are going) and you will see you automatically lean the bike more.

Watch Moto GP guys race and see how they are doing it. Please do not look as far ahead as they do, lest you will lean tooooooo much.

Give it a try and find the sweet spot for you.

Be careful
 
#13 ·
Don't worry about it. I think the 02 models had higher foot pegs than later years. My 02 still has virgin feelers on my mini floorboards. I have scraped my old pipes a little and only have about 1/2 inch of a chicken strip left. I also don't know if it makes any difference, but I keep at least 40 psi in both tires when I ride. I have riden with people with lowered bikes that scrape all the time. Ride where you feel comfortable and don't worry about if you are scraping you pegs. Just as a side note, my wife's VStar will scrape at lean angles way below that of the warrior.
 
#15 ·
I hope to never scrape anything. Having said that, I do not ride gently. I go as fast as I feel comfortable and as quickly through the turns in the same fashion. If I know I have a large sweeping turn ahead I will adjust in the saddle and lean to put more weight on the inside of the corner so the bike doesnt have to lean over as far to keep the same speed or faster. I'm a huge fan of accellerating through theturn. My strips are still at about 1/2" - 3/4" and im ok with that.
 
#16 ·
I dont scrape my frame... but now even with the Foward Controls I scrape the pegs... given, I do have the 3" adapter on them so they stick out further... I do catch myself watching out not to scrape on a turn...


I think I counter-steer a lot making the bike lean more... but thats just the way I ride.
 
#17 ·
It is true that that earlier bikes ('02,'03 and maybe '04) had higher footpegs than the newer bikes. On the newer ones the footpeg brackets sit lower...but the pavement feeler pegs are shorter on the newer ones also. Lisa ( Hotwarrior) has the back of her '03 lowered and has scraped her pegs on several occasions.


I put the earlier brackets on my '05 when I upgraded from the '02 because they were just too low and I was dragging the pegs ( and my boots) all the time !!
 
#18 ·
I used to think it was just one of those things that takes a little time before you're comfortable enough. It was months before I scraped anything on the Warrior andnow I'm scraping pegs on the Big Dog so much that I've startedpositioning my heel so I scrape it instead before I get the pegs too much (there's less forgiveness after they scrape now).I'm discovering with my wife however that she rides so conservatively that she'll never even scrape the floorboards on the V-Star. She worries about riding too fast and unsafe but the V-Star scrapes EASY and after paying more attention to her riding I've learned she's unsafe because she's overconservative and rounds corners like the little old lady that everyone honks at practically. NOT good when you're on a motorcycle.... I've started reminding her about looking through the turn and braking early to accelerate through it andshown hergood curves locally to test on and stuff so she can get the feel down and the confidence she needs to ride better. I'd really like to know that when the time comes that she needs to do a big swerve or some other sharp leaning maneuver to avoid an accident that she has the confidence and is capable of pulling it off but that'll never happen if she doesn't have enough feel for her bike to even scrape a little. She agrees but yet when we go riding together she just wants to ride and she seems resistant to practice.


I'd suggest the things that have already been mentioned but most importantly follow those tips up with actual practice and playing around (SAFELY of course). One thing one of the other posters does I know that seemed weird to me at first is to just throw the bike back and forth as you ride just to get more comfortable with it and the feel of how much preasure creates how much lean and counter-steer and whatnot.
 
#19 ·
Thanks for all the good advice. I look through the turns whenever possible but most of them are blind around here. I'm as careful as can be when pushing the limit, but pushing the limit is inherently dangerous. I wear all my gear, and I go full-face when I'm doing this and not the half-helmet.


I'll get it one of these days.
 
#20 ·
Then you are already having all you need from the bike. As you ride more and more, your comfort will increase.

Yes.....I do like to swing it back and forth (see Marco post....lol, Hi Mark). Cops don't even seem to mind. I make sure no cars are coming from the other direction so they don't think I am heading for them. About 30-35 lets you really rock it back and forth all the way to the pegs. I taught my son the same routine and he seemed to think it helps, he seems to ride fine.

Extra bonus by swerving back and forth, all the cars see me....lmao...I become quite noticed and usually they give more following distance.

I, just like robriquez, have about 1/2 to 3/4 inch chicken stripe, someone else said scrapping just happens, the less the better I suppose, but it is fun....I have seen a number of riders that get all the way to the edge, but I am certainly not on that list....


Sounds like you are enjoying the bike, that's the main thing.
 
#23 ·
Sushi_Biker said:
I wish I had someone experienced to ride with who could observe my technique and tell me how to safely get further over. I love the bike and don't want to have it slide out from under me, but I know I can touch the pegs. What do I need to do?
Eat more, you'll squish the suspension more and voila, at the same lean angle you will scrape the pegs. In lieu of causing a heart attack to attain some street cred you could put a passenger and take a ride down the twisty roads.

But not scraping things is the better alternative. While it's nice to scrape a peg first to let you know you've about maxed things out, not tearing up expensive floorboards (in my case) is preferable.

To maximize speed thru a corner you want to hang your body off the inside of the bike. If people did this most of them wouldn't scape too often either. Watch a motorcycle race sometime and note their body position in corners. They do that to maximize speed at a given lean angle. Note: you don't have to do it to the extent they do for it to have an effect.

For a croozer, our Warrior's have a ridiculously good lean angle capability if ridden properly. Personally, I screwed up and got a pipe whose header hangs way lower than the stock pipe and can sometimes hit BEFORE the peg. This is a very bad situation as it tends to lever the rear wheel off the ground. Much better to ride not to scrape. Besides, you'll be smoking the guys just sittin on their duffs grinding down their parts.
 
#25 ·
Hi Pep,


I'm a new rider and new Warrior owner. I started out on a 1982 XJ750 Seca from November to May. I'm fully licensed and I rode the **** out of that old sportbike, building up my confidence and skills. The XJ was always intended to be my "training wheels". I stumbled on a good deal for a Warrior and upgraded about 6 months sooner than I intended.


I realize that I'm new and it might seem that I'm being reckless but I'm cautious when searching for my limits and I understand the difference between confidence and complacency. I understand that there is a technique to riding, especially aggressive riding or racing, a technique that allows you to balance the forces of traction, gravity and centrifugal forces against each other to achieve the maximum speed for a given section of pavement and maximum thrill. I want to learn those techniques.


I am a little reckless....I'm in my 30's and I had colon cancer this year and for a time, I thought I might die. After the docs fixed me up, I decided that I didn't want to arrive at my casket in good working order, but a little ragged out and broken down. No one lives forever and I'm not going to try to. I'm just trying to find a balance between living a full life and foolishly throwing it away.
 
#26 ·
IMHO, i think you're ok and shouldn't measure your riding style on how much you scrape your frame/pegs. The people that I ride with say i'm very aggressive, but i never scrape my frame or pegs. The bike is purely stock. True, they ride tanks (harleys, hondas), but nontheless it's riding. Just like the other post said, take your time and don't push on the bars too much.Last thing you want is to oversteer and fly out of the top side.