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Has anyone rebuilt rear master cylinder on Legends Forward Controls?

2.4K views 7 replies 5 participants last post by  Luv2LafMcc  
#1 ·
Hi all,
It's been a while. Took my bike in for loss of rear brakes and they told me they needed to rebuild the rear master cylinder on my Legends forward controls. I bought those Legends Chrome Folding Forward Controls from Phat Performance Parts back in 2003 but Phat's hasn't been able to identify the right part number for the rebuild kit and the OEM hasn't been responding to their emails. I think the cause is that DOT 4 and DOT 5 brake fluid was mixed at last tune up and it has gummed up the works and degraded some of the seals. Anyway...

Has anybody had to do this or have any idea which rebuild kit I need to get? I'm kinda stuck. Thanks for the help!
 
#3 ·
Maximum_Dave ....i've not personally rebuilt the Legends/Phat master but have rebuilt many many single stage master cylinders over the years.

I suspect that your MC is a 3/4" bore and that the rubber parts can be taken from a rebuild kit or kits for another 3/4" bore MC such as Wagner or Bendix manufacturer.

All you need are the primary and secondary cups. Here's an example of the parts of different designs. Solid or 'o' ring cups
good luck
 
#4 ·
I think the cause is that DOT 4 and DOT 5 brake fluid was mixed at last tune up and it has gummed up the works and degraded some of the seals.

oh jeesh.... I didnt even know there was a difference in brake fluids...

I just got "motorcycle" break fluid...

Maxium, a lot of us have the elite forward controls (myself included). Please make sure you post up here onto this thread what you learn and how you resolve this, as I'm sure it will be applicable to many. As always, Pictures are appreciated.
 
#7 ·
Brake fluid is designed to resist compression. However, it has two weaknesses (well 3 if you count eating paint) - it is hygroscopic which means it readily absorbs moisture from the atmosphere, and it degrades over time.

DOT 3 used to be the standard, but DOT 4 has replaced it. DOT 4 is more resistant to compression -which means it applies more force (to the caliper) and it degrades less over time. DOT 4 also is compatible (it will mix) with DOT 3 fluid. Therefore you can put DOT 4 fluid in a DOT 3 vehicle with no harmful side effects - it is in fact an upgrade. You cannot however, put DOT 3 fluid in a DOT 4 vehicle -not that you would want to.

DOT 5 is a different beast though. It is based on a completely different type of fluid (maybe silicone based?) and cannot be mixed with any other type. As well, DOT 4 or 3 vehicles don't have the type of seals required for DOT 5. Most brand new vehicles use DOT 5 now. The cap on your car master cylinder will tell you which one to use.

If in fact they put DOT 5 in the OPs bike, he could be screwed. He may have to replace the lines and seals.

A good rule of thumb is to replace all your brake fluid about every two years. It's not the mileage that matters, but the time it takes to degrade. Some guys recommend annually but that's a little extreme.

Ok, there's the long version. It's was off,the top of my head, so don't shoot the messenger if I got a detail wrong, but I think that it's pretty much right ;)