Here are some UOA'sfor Rotella CJ-4 and CI-4+ The Zincand phosphorous are lower in the CJ-4, but still higher than some motorcycle oils. Guys have been using Rotella in bikes for 30+ years. In 1978 the dealer that my '78 suzuki GS1000 came from wrote on the Owners Manual "Use Shell Rotella oil".


http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=cfrm


There are a huge amount of people running HDEO's in bikes with excellent results and hard data to back it up. Several with 50K - 100K miles on the bikes.


A lot of guys have reached the breaking point on M1 synth due to the recent price increases. M1 V-twin is approximately $10.00 a quart in my area. Thats$50.00 plus a filter.





Rotella CJ-4 virgin

Blackstone Labs Test results:

Oil...............Delo15W40.....GC0W30.........Honda 10W40 Rotella 15W40 CJ4...
Filter............PL14610........3423 Bosch.....1536 Napa Gold....1536 Napa Gold
Total Miles....65,033..........73,008...........81,081...........89,028
Miles on oil....8,070..........7,975.............8,073.............7,947
Time on Oil.....3 1/2 mon.......5 1/2 mo....4 Mo....3 Mo
Make up oil......0................0................0.................0

Aluminum.........11.............13...............12...............13
Chromium.........1................1................1................1
Iron................27.............41..............25..............24
Copper............4...............4................3................3
Lead...............3...............2................3................4
Tin.................0...............0................1................0
Moly..............231............36..............50..............8
Nickel.............0...............0................1................0
Manganese......0..............1.................0.................0
Silver..............0...............0...............0...............0
Titanium..........0..............0................0................0
Potassium........0..............3................2................7
Boron..............74.............11.............124.............32
Silicon.............13.............14.............12.............12
Sodium.............5..............175...........58...........19
Calcium............3471.........2290.........1988.........2347
Magnesium........10............456...........65...........17
Phosphorus.......1211.........906..........815..........956
Zinc.................1499.......1140.........1053.........1264
Barium.............0..............0..............0..............0
Flashpoint F......405..........410...........390...........400
Fuel................<0.5..........<.5..........<.5..........<.5
Antifreeze........0................0.35..........?..........0
Water.............0.................0..............0..............0
Insoluables......0.1............0.3...........0.2...........0.2
SUS Visc@210f..68.1........60.3.........60.8.........71.5
cST Visc@100c..12.44.......10.29........10.45........13.35
TBN.................5.4..........7.2...........3.6...........4.2





First .... Second ...... Third
.................... Rotella ... Rotella .... Rotella
..................... 15W-40 ..... 5W-40 ..... 15W-40
Oil ................... CJ-4 ..... CI-4+ ....... CJ-4

Miles on Oil ......... 2,724 ..... 2,995 ...... 2,774
Miles on Bike ........ 6,386 ..... 9,381 ..... 12,155

Aluminum ................. 6 ......... 5 .......... 5
Chromium ................. 0 ......... 1 .......... 1
Iron .................... 12 ........ 12 .......... 9
Copper .................. 20 ........ 17 ......... 14
Lead ..................... 1 ......... 1 .......... 1
Tin ...................... 0 ......... 0 .......... 2
Molybdenum .............. 17 ......... 6 .......... 3
Nickel ................... 0 ......... 0 .......... 0
Manganese ................ 1 ......... 1 .......... 0
Silver ................... 0 ......... 0 .......... 0
Titanium ................. 0 ......... 0 .......... 0
Potassium ................ 5 ......... 4 .......... 5
Boron ................... 20 ......... 4 ......... 19
Silicon .................. 8 ......... 8 .......... 8
Sodium ................... 3 ......... 5 .......... 3
Calcium ............... 2021 ...... 3213 ....... 2414
Magnesium ............... 16 ........ 13 .......... 8
Phosphorus ............. 868 ...... 1114 ........ 993
Zinc .................. 1085 ...... 1441 ....... 1190
Barium ................... 1 ......... 0 .......... 0

Obviously the TBN is good in these samples, it appears you are getting some shear though. The Kinematic and Saybolt Viscosities show your samples trending well into the SAE 30 range (9.30-12.49 cSt). I'm used to seeing viscosity numbers in the 17.xx range with these many miles on the sample for Amsoil MCV. And the zinc levels are oviously lower with the CJ-4 as mentioned.

There is nothing to be afraid of here, it's way better than the Yamalube samples I've seen, but for the people preferring 20w-50 over 10w-40 due to hot idle conditions, this may be a point to consider.

 

I just drain my oil & run it through a coffee filter a couple of times....good as new!











Just kidding, I use rotella!

 

Go with the amsoil from the (superbeetheoilgeek) and use amsoil filter for the best protection.

 

Amsoil 10w40 with a wix filter. No problems and the bike shifts great.

 

+1

used it for 100k in my air cooled Suzuki that was running when I parked it and have 60k on the warrior running it.

Plain old Castrol GTX 20w50 every 5k. My beater has 40k on it and doesn't burn a drop. All that high dollar oil is great marketing and nothing more.

 

I switched over to Amsoil 20w50 on Saturday. Stuff is expensive but worth it!

 

Amsoil 10W40. Nothing but the best for my baby!

 

Amsoil 10W40. Nothing but the best for my baby!

I went with the 20w50. Summers here can exceed 100 degrees. I figured the heavier weight oil would be better during summer time here. It was 110 degrees the day I bought my warrior.

 

I just performed the 1st oil change. I went with the Shell Rotella-T 15W-40 and a K&N filter.



Edit: 100th post!

 

Mobil 1 oil & filter. 10w40 - Shifts smooth and you can buy it at Wally World.

 

Ive been using Mobil 1 oil and WIX filter.....

 

I use mobil 1 v-twin oil, a yammi filter with a filtermag.


www.filtermag.com

 

 

That's just sick!

 

Mobil 20w 50 V twin oil and Amsoil filter. After all the hype, phoney marketing claims, unrealistic uneducated claims, lack of common sense statements and looking at real results from independent labs. I usean oil that is designed specifically for a V twin air cooled engine. Yes it may be a little more costley but not if it saves an engine or clutch. I change every 5000 miles or each fall which ever comes first in both my bikes. When it comes to oil and filters you get what you pay for. I've never had an oil related failure in my sleds, cars , trucks and bikes. I also change oil in my cars and trucks every 3000 miles. Best is cheap insurance in my humble opinion. So let the fight'n begin! "LOL"

 

Yep, but thankfully we have 2002-2016 experience here. With this big jug bike. It's nice to have that at-hand.

My personal favs:
Wet-Clutch Motor Oil:
1. Amsoil 20W50 MCV Full Synthetic [favorite]
2. Mobil 1 20W50 V-Twin Full Synthetic
3. Yamalube4 10W40 or 20W50

Oil Filter:
1. (Old Info) Bosch #3323 (14~18 psi)(Anti-Backflow)(3-1/2" long) [this filter design changed and it drips now]
2. Yamaha #3FV-13440-10-00 (~14psi) (Nippon-Denso #115010-6010)
3. Mobile 1 #M1-110 (12~18psi)
4. Purolator Pure One PL14610 (11~17psi)

Middle Drive Oil:
1. Redline MT-90 75w-90 GL-4 Full Synthetic Manual Trans/Transaxle

Mobil 20w 50 V twin oil and Amsoil filter. After all the hype, phoney marketing claims, unrealistic uneducated claims, lack of common sense statements and looking at real results from independent labs. I usean oil that is designed specifically for a V twin air cooled engine. Yes it may be a little more costley but not if it saves an engine or clutch. I change every 5000 miles or each fall which ever comes first in both my bikes. When it comes to oil and filters you get what you pay for. I've never had an oil related failure in my sleds, cars , trucks and bikes. I also change oil in my cars and trucks every 3000 miles. Best is cheap insurance in my humble opinion. So let the fight'n begin! "LOL"

 

i have noticed my shifting feels "notchy" the last few rides of the season maybe time for me to switch from Yamalube.I change oil/filter every 3k miles

 

hate to state the obvious in an "OIL thread", but you got about a 10,000 times better chance of totaling your bike in a wreck; before you ruin your engine with any oi. just run what you feel comfortable with.

 

i have noticed my shifting feels "notchy" the last few rides of the season maybe time for me to switch from Yamalube.I change oil/filter every 3k miles

Let me know if I can help.

 

I use royal purple synthetic 20/50w. Also I run a little px3 oil additive & my average running temp. has dropped about 15 degrees.

 

It's amazing that such a thick oil can leak out so easily

 

in every v-twin i use rotella
in inline 4 moble one

 

I just went with Rotella oil ...

 

A solid choice based on member participation here over the years.

 

i would like to take a moment to give some information about amsoil, some r* riders love the stuff others mobil 1 and others rotella. i fall in the later, but that has no bearing for this.

amsoil is a mixer not a refinery so when you see reports of amsoil surpassing oil like mobil 1 it is due to them sponsoring the report and taking from the top refinery and mixing in extra additives the refineries are exxon/mobil, bp, texico/chevron and shell.

amsoil also just in the past few years were able to get their api rating. this is why amsoil was not included so many oil test and studies.

this post is not ment to bash amsoil just help members understand amsoil.

also spectrum is an oil mixer as well great stuff in the platinum from but a whole lot of money.

 

With every ounce of respect for what you bring to this forum, we're not newbies here either. Many many many of us have been riding and maintaining this bike since 2002-2003 et seq. Going further, many of us have ~45+ years riding and changing oil in bikes and cars. Even the 2004+ group of Warrior members here have over a decade with oil changes for this bike. We help each-other when things break, and we all party when someone's big tour goes perfectly, so we all feel each other's pleasure and pain with this exact bike on-the-fly.

So sorry but your suggestion doesn't carry weight because its unilateral advertising and not independent technical data. We have over a decade of member experience here. Mobil-1 is a good oil and some prefer it. But Amsoil is also a good oil and many prefer it. Most seem to prefer Yamaha oem oil although the technical data doesn't support it (especially regarding foaming) but most members swear by it so its fine with me. And a good number prefer other oils most notably a particular Shell Rotella which also seems to have good history on this site with this big-jug motor. I personally swear by Amsoil then Mobil1 then Yami as next choices, others swear by Mobil1 as first choice, others by Rotella as first choice, and others by Yami as first choice. I defend them all.

Obviously all these oils work successfully in this bike probably because they are all good oils and also because of the nikasil lining.

If you have good technical knowledge of this bike's design and proof of an industry technical paper with teeth then please post it. Be aware it has probably been posted before but who knows when it comes to these things.

In the end, I'm in the camp that doesn't care about promotional papers and advertising. Note that many 'papers' position themselves as expert reports based on scientific-method tests but are actually unilateral claims . . . making them advertising. Check Royal Purple's vids as an example, they are as good but no better regardless of their vids.

We are way beyond that. We have far too many decade+ members with success in other oils in this bike. Not generic . . . this bike.

Bottom line, Amsoil is as good as any other. Maybe better . . . they provide a written guaranty for double the mileage with no motor damage. So it begs the question: why does Mobil1 not follow suit, or anyone else?

Just wanted to put this out there BECAUSE I have a gut-feeling you have some experience to bring to the party but this conversation doesn't support my gut-feeling. You can defend with technical data that is scientific-method, or punt and start over next thread. But you'll never convince me or others who have used Amsoil for over a decade that any real-world quality issue exists because there is a huge difference between dino-oil-refineries and full-synthetic chemists . . .

Being a mixer or a refinery is irrelevant when we're talking full synthetic. Its all chemistry at that point. The 'refining' is completely different for full-syn oils. Obviously. So some play on consumer ignorance of this. It sux but there it is.

Adding: the API rating vacuum was because (1) Amsoil ELECTED to NOT pay the fees for that and their reasoning was because (2) the industry refused to acknowledge a synthetic or full synthetic could out-perform ancient dino-oil until repetitive annual tests proved otherwise. It was David versus Goliath. Kudo's to Amsoil for standing their ground and continuing to improve over the decades. If not for those brave-hearted small business distributors, the world would not have advanced and gas/oil prices would be making us more slave than we are today anyway. We should wish this scenario had transpired with grocery store chains. And distillers and breweries

i would like to take a moment to give some information about amsoil, some r* riders love the stuff others mobil 1 and others rotella. i fall in the later, but that has no bearing for this.

Amsoil is a mixer not a refinery so when you see reports of amsoil surpassing oil like mobil 1 it is due to them sponsoring the report and taking from the top refinery and mixing in extra additives the refineries are exxon/mobil, bp, texico/chevron and shell.

amsoil also just in the past few years were able to get their api rating. this is why amsoil was not included so many oil test and studies.

this post is not ment to bash amsoil just help members understand amsoil.

also spectrum is an oil mixer as well great stuff in the platinum from but a whole lot of money.

 

Local shop recommends spectro golden 4 20-40.anyone use this and have thoughtsome?
http://spectro-oils.com/golden-semi-synthetic/

 

i was not bashing amsoil, i was stating the fact that they are a mixer not a refinery.

as for me i went to gas turbine a-school for the navy mmi for myself (why i moved to az) and have been an auto tech for the last 16 years, and have been riding since the age of 12 first bike was a kawie g4 100 ,gone from san diego ca to pleasant valley ny on a 97 zx7rr. yes this is my first warrior but the bike before this was a r* that i put 68k on.

are there guy smarter then me sure but i can bring a little something to the table as well.

the reason i know about oil is the simple fact that my father worked in the oil industries for 40 years and i ask questions to learn

i joined this forum to catch up on the warrior so i could enjoy it and tinker less to find out what works not to have a senior member talk down to me like i was his stepkid. i did not start this thread i post information no one else posted, in another thread i ask for help was giving a starting point and was able to find information you tried to get but could not.

as for the api rating every one knows the companies pay for it just like the dot rating on helmats but the question was asked why amsoil was not in other studies, the reason is the studies were for oils with the api ratings. thats why i mentioned that.

 

I took your post as a bash of all of us, and you took my subsequent post as a bash of you, I suppose both could be 'read' that way but happily it turns out neither seems warranted and I'm glad for that.